It's also worth, I think, pointing out that, for example, Lincoln has the 6th (I think) most recalled model as well as (again, I think) the second to least recalled model. So it shows that, in a lot of cases, it really depends on the model of the car rather than the manufacturer.
Except Tesla. 100% of Teslas current lineup is in the top 5.
Tesla build quality is horrible.
American made sure. The Shanghai cars are solid.
I got lucky. My '23 M3 base from TX must have been made on a Tuesday or something because I didn't get the panel gaps or other issues that everyone complains about. So far it has just been an appliance-like car.
I'm sure the loud minority complain about teslas.
They really should disaggregate recalls fixed with OTA updates from recalls that need a physical intervention. Obviously Teslas almost always need an OTA update
Agreed. Although we would still need a measure the severity of these issues. An OTA update is more convenient than a physical recall, but it doesn't change that the car drove with those issues until the problem was discovered and fixed.
So the more important question is whether the underlying problem was something trivial like a minor comfort feature not working as intended or something affecting the safety of the car.
100%, this number is skewed by the fact that tesla will basically "recall" for any minor issue because it's a simple software update, I imagine a lot of companies try to avoid recalls as aggressively and for as long as possible because it's a significantly bigger burden on them
I say this as someone who drives a Tesla but is still extremely judgemental of Tesla
Agreed. The concept of judging vehicle quality by number of recalls is severely flawed for this very reason. My Subaru Impreza has had a number of recalls for a variety of trivial things, but I’ve had only one actual issue with it in 65k miles and have spent relatively little on maintenance. Comparing that to the Audi A4 I had before this car which required maybe one recall in similar mileage but I was constantly fixing major items from leaks, broken drive related components, etc.
Neither had any motor related issues so far, aside from burning oil in the Audi. But by number of recalls? That Audi was great! But they also had a number of lawsuits filed in attempt to get them to actually recall the multitude of problems. The one that it actually had was the result of them losing such a suit, but so many years later it really didn’t matter.
So yeah, terrible metric to track. At this point, I’d rather see that the company has a dozen recalls on their vehicles than zero.
Edit: I should clarify. That being said, I do believe Toyota actually makes a solid car the first time. Boring, but quality is a huge focus for them. I’m still hesitant to trust recall counts though and I don’t think I’d trust Mercedes number as a valid quality metric.
that last edit you added is probably the worst part, because it takes away from how solid Toyota and others are because it ruins the entire metric, Toyota is likely crushing it, and entirely possible Tesla is actually really really bad, but without the RIGHT metrics we can't actually draw any good conclusions, it's not just bad for tesla but for the whole market
I am still waiting for a day of no frills EVs or just more no frills cars in general. Less crap in the way to repair and whatnot. But all I see passing car lots are bigger vehicles that look like they have so much stuff in them.
We need like a Kirkland brand EV. Unless I am an idiot and people don't want stuff like that.
I love the tech in my car. The adaptive cruise control, heads up display, android auto, auto wipers, auto brights, lane keep assist, and blind spot detection in my Mazda are all used every single time I drive. Understand why people wouldn't want some of those things but I love it.
Toyotas EV is like that. ID4 is fairly basic. Chevy Bolt.
The BZ4X that was recalled because the wheels fall off ? Has that been rereleased yet ?
https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/71277/2023-toyota-bz4x-disappointing-and-frustrating/
Apparently it has been rereleased. Still not good.
Basic vehicles tend to be like that, yes.
The wheels tend to fall off on basic vehicles ? I hope you're joking.
Btw the BZ4X isn't priced like a basic vehicle -$42k++ isn't exactly entry level and the same price range as a Mustang Mach E, low end Tesla Model 3 or VW id3 with much better spec
No, sorry, that reply was intended for somebody else. Lemmy app struggles.
Mach E and Tesla aren’t “no frills”. I thought that was the request. At the moment, with tax credit, you can get a new Model 3 for 33k. Since Chevy killed the Bolt, I’m pretty sure that’s the cheapest EV on the market. But it wasn’t considered “no frills”
I bought my first ev 8 months ago. 13k miles already and no maintenance cost yet. Absolutely love it and find any excuses to drive it.
I drove a gas guzzling 350hp coupe before jumping to a EV. I had my doubts but I'm glad I made the switch. It'll be awhile until we get a Costco like vehicle (my bet is Toyota or Hyundai will come out with something huge).
My commute is 70 miles a day and it's a blast. I drive it on weekends just because it's fun. I don't have any frills on it, just a screen I look at once in a while.5
What kind of EV?
Tesla model 3 performance. I know it gets shit on a lot for some reason but using it as a daily driver, it's the best car I ever had.
M3 here, the autopilot features are incredible, highway driving just fades away.
Definitely worth it, can barely drive my suv now.
Recall for a Tesla: send an ota update and the user doesn't even notice it
Recall for other brands: send a snail mail letter asking to give the car to a dealer for an unspecified amount of time in order to do a replacement
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