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[-] Ion@lemmy.myserv.one 92 points 2 weeks ago

"I must preserve my echo chamber!"

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 86 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I find most people who complain about echo chambers are just mad that they aren’t allowed to barge in everyone’s door and start shouting their bigoted opinions like it’s some moral imperative we all give equal time to all opinions/ideologies.

Are positive, liberal LGBT communities echo chambers? Are they not allowed a collective space to hang out without having to explain themselves all the time?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago

It depends. Defederation for good reasons is good, defederation for bad or false reasons is generally bad.

As an example, having a strict and democratic defederation/federation policy has contributed to Hexbear having the most active trans community on Lemmy, and it's a good thing that there's an actively protected trans space free from bigotry.

At the same time, defederating from instances for political reasons under the guise of other reasons is generally a bad thing.

It's largely context dependent.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. Doing something bad for a bad reason is bad, doing a good thing for a good reason is good.

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[-] Corgana@startrek.website 57 points 2 weeks ago

Why would someone who doesn't like blocking and de-federation like "federated platforms"?

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah part of the point of this is that it’s not a free speech zone unless you want a free speech instance. I prefer a more curated against bigots experience. Others don’t. Still others prefer other forms of curation. Federation means we can all talk to each other as long as we stay within boundaries of what others will stay federated with.

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[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 57 points 2 weeks ago

Of course this is an ML post

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 58 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Lemmy.ml is federated with the vast majority of major instances, moreso than others like Lemmy.world. What are you trying to say?

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago

It’s like yall forgot the entire post/punchline lmao guess folks really do require /s

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Still doesn't make sense, Lemmy.ml doesn't constantly threaten to defederate from other instances over political reasons

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 weeks ago

It’s just me making a dumb diss you’re overthinking it

[-] Ion@lemmy.myserv.one 11 points 2 weeks ago

At least you acknowledge it's dumb

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[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 weeks ago

Might be good to add an /s, considering how common that is on the anti-communist servers.

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[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

free speech also applies to lemmy servers. If the server doesn't agree with most of what's on your server, they can and should have the option to not associate with your server at all. This honestly sounds like a shit take elon would have made.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Preach. Free speech means we have the right to show folks the door, to paraphrase that XKCD

[-] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 41 points 2 weeks ago

I defederated lemmy.world because I don't feel like hosting and re transmitting US propaganda.

[-] flashgnash@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago

It is kinda surprising how much obvious propaganda makes it onto Lemmy, for example those memes that aren't really memes as much as "haha this opinion wrong"

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Lemmy itself is largely made up of Communists, Anarchists, and liberals fleeing Reddit.

As a consequence, there's a lot of Communist agit-prop, and a lot of reflective panic on the hands of liberals.

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[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 36 points 2 weeks ago

I think there's benefit to blocking the particularly Nazi/pedo instances, but otherwise do wish we'd just all be able to federate together and share content for the most part.

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 weeks ago

lemmy world admins cracking down on posts they don't like with no accountability and arbitrarily changing their ToS after the fact to cover for it, but somehow the entirety of the factionalist weirdos who cling to the idea of a corpo-friendly Reddit clone are laying the blame on... other instances?

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 weeks ago

I think it depends on what you disagree with. If one is promoting going after our neighbors, hunting them down and killing them? Yeah, defederate. If another is Meta trying to take over the federation. Yeah, I vote defederate. If one thinks Hawaiian pizza is a travesty and the other doesn't, hold your horses.

[-] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 23 points 2 weeks ago

I tried like 4 different lemmy instances before settling on lemm.ee because it hasn't defederated from the socialists or "tankies". So I can participate.

This defederation fracturing lemmy really speaks to both self-censorship of allowable ideologies and also bad quality of admins and mods several servers.

If lemmy can't somehow federate communities separately from instances I don't see lemmy thriving.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

Lemmy is thriving enough. Self-sufficient instances like Hexbear are fine without large amounts of federation. I do see Lemmy.world running into issues in the future due to their strong Zionist slant and anti-Leftist stance, but the other major instances seem to be fine.

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, I basically searched for which one is least likely to defederate from random shit.

I'm prepared to traverse seas of horrors to bring home fresh memes every single day (except I sometimes skip alternating Tuesdays if I have to wait for too long to say hi to Reginald).

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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago

Some places suck.

Some places suck, by design.

Reducing criticism of systemic problems to "just because you disagree" is dishonest... and indicative.

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 25 points 2 weeks ago

"You censored me for my opinion"

"What opinion was it?"

"..."

"What opinion was it Anakin?"

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[-] match@pawb.social 17 points 2 weeks ago

let people defederate idgaf

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

When Musk took over Twitter he allowed violent and extremist views to flood it without moderation.

That's the sort of community Lemmy would be if we didn't have the tools needed to keep it clean of harmful ideologies.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

You mean like Exploding Heads? I agree, fuck Nazis.

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[-] sem@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago

this is so true lmao.

mm yes federated media platform, surely i won't run into shitty people now

runs into shitty people:

[-] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Melody@lemmy.one 9 points 2 weeks ago

In aggregate; 5 instances, less than 5 communities, and more than 69, nice, blocked users.

I don't mess around. I don't hesitate to block people who argue needlessly, make my experience less informational or less entertaining, troll, or disregard arguments made in foundational logic to push a point of view or 'win the argument'. Similarly my instance ignores downvotes and does not display them; as with most platforms which behave similarly to reddit; they simply do not work outside of your personal, local account, local instance, user-sorting context.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My instance removed downvotes before we even launched federation. Also more instances preemptively defederated with us before that even happened because they were scared of the evil tankies (which is funny because a bunch of us are also anarchists).

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

Libs and skill issues, lmao

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