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[-] StaySquared@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The entire universe - binary

Small fraction of humanity - weetards

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Thanks for the confession :D

[-] LeFrog@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago

There are also only two different animals: elephants and non-elephants.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

I think you are mistaken actually the different types of animal are frogs and not frogs

[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

Your both wrong there are crabs and then there are crabs 🦀🦀🦀🦀

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[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

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[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Crabbbbb people craaaabbb peopleeee

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[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Crabs and not yet crabs.

[-] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

There are bullfrogs and elephant bulls, so we can conclude that {🐸}∩{🐘}⊂{🐂}

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Hmm perhaps some kind of sliding scale is in order

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[-] erie09@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Are these elephants in the room right now?

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 months ago

As a non-elephant in the room I feel overlooked

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[-] whodatdair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

Anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant.

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[-] amio@kbin.social 0 points 3 months ago

"Troll logic" is one of my favorite memes.

Exactly like being hit by lightning at any instant has a 50% risk because either it happens or it doesn't.

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[-] veneficium@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

Reminds me of the: everything is either a duck or not a duck

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

You'd think so, and yet...

[-] androidul@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

that platypus look, hmm

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[-] justcallmelarry@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago

Technically the existance of non-binaries also makes the binaries no longer binaries (due to increased optionality), so it would be fair to say everyone is non-binary

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[-] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Feel like there's a Set Theory issue with this but I barely understand what little I can remember about it.

[-] pooberbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Does the gender of all non-self-containing genders contain itself? This is the fundamental question of gender theory.

[-] radix@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

No, it's only Russell's question.

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[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago

I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic

[-] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You can argue that about any label of any kind but we have to live in reality, which means people are going to sort themselves and others. “We know who we are by who we are not.“ I just don’t see that stopping.

We also have to acknowledge inequality. It’s like “black owned businesses.” Yeah in an equal society we would all just say “businesses” but we don’t live in one so we need to highlight a group of business owners that are inherently at a disadvantage.

[-] Talaraine@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago

That's so sad to me. From my POV being non-binary isn't aggressive. It's just that there are more important things to worry about than gender.

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago

I think it's just the term. "Binary" isn't exactly neutral as it can imply narrow minded. Also labelling non-X imply that everyone else is X which often includes too many people that are kind of in the middle / doesn't really care.

[-] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

Also have you ever considered the fact that maybe you (or other people) don’t really care about gender labels because you were assigned as the gender you prefer? It seems a bit silly to criticise a group who currently faces a lot of discrimination based on their gender preference. Also are you aware that your argument is often used to discredit the experiences of and as a reason to discriminate against people who identify as non-binary?

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[-] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

so what would you suggest people who do not want to be referred to as man or woman call themselves?

[-] mydoomlessaccount@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago

Blenders. Gender ephemeral. Intangibles. An even cooler fourth option, probably.

There are tons of cool names you could go with when your identity lies outside of preconceived boundaries (and pretty much transcends them). But, non-binary's pretty clinical-sounding, so I guess it's easier to work into a professional setting or something.

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[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

On the gender spectrum?

I don't know, I think this debate is silly.

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[-] stembolts@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm going to use "you" a lot in this post but know I'm using the global definition, I'm not directly addressing you.

Right, but you must realize that is your perception and not reality.

If you'll allow me to take some liberties and use you as an example :

They are asking you to change your perception of them.
You are asking them to change/disregard their reality to conform to your existing perception.

One can be done, one cannot. They'll still be what they are and now their way of defining themselves is forbidden, by who? Why? This path seems completely irrational.

And what value does your perception hold anyway? The meaning of every word, sound, and thought in your head is arbitrary, it's all made up. So obviously language needs to be calibrated with reality from time to time.

Language has changed to such an extreme degree that you wouldn't understand your own language 300, 1,000, 5,000 years ago. Why not be upset about that? Seems kinda silly to start a movement to rollback english to 1724, eh?

That is how I feel about those who oppose groups of people seeking to better define themselves. "I don't feel what they describe, they've organized millions of people who claim to feel the same way to fuck with me, I'm mad!"

TLDR, it's logical for language to change and people to carve out niches. Humans aren't born male and female only, so it seems silly to puritanically declare that because of an ancient understanding of humans, we should ignore modern biology.

From a post I made earlier this month, the intersex population in the United States alone would comprise 10% of the population of Nebraska. These are people born, quite literally, between gender. Non-binary.

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[-] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Non-binary is an umbrella term for many identities so saying “binary and non-binary” is not the same kind of binary as the gender binary it’s attempting to upend.

[-] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

If there already exists "a binary" then that says there are 2 states. "Non-binary" only means there are not-two-states. This could be unary (there is one kind of thing), trinary (there are now 3 things, the old 2 and new, secret 3rd thing), or really any n-ary set of n distinctly numbered things, so long as there aren't only exactly 2 of them.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

“Non-binary” only means there are not-two-states.

The state of having two states and the state of not-having-two-states is itself a two-state solution.

Unfortunately, once you rule out non-binary as a third state, you collapse back into the original binary state. Thus, non-binary exists as a quantum superposition between states, as we fluctuate between whether or not being non-binary is politically correct.

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

But nobody is in the state of having two states, though. People range from being in one state to "it's complicated", but how would you be in exactly two states?

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[-] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I want to upvote the OP for presenting an interesting discussion but downvote them for being wrong. This presents a case for a non-binary voting option.

A singular like button would still only express one portion of my sentiment. A third option could be many things, none are sufficient: a none or 0 or neutral option is effectively not voting, a sideways arrow or maybe state, or mixed state would express indecision or indeterminism rather than mixed feelings.

Therefore, I propose that a second positive-negative axis is required. The addition of these "sideways" arrows allow expressing 2 kinds of sentiment: towards the post content, and towards the poster themselves. I will not specify whether left or right is positive nor will i clarify which axis (x or y) corresponds to which kind of sentiment. I'm sure this undefined behavior will cause no problems.

Here is your composite vote in the new system: ↖️

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Male, Female, and a Secret Third Thing

[-] XEAL@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Ah, a comment to test mods' susceptibility

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[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Only if you're autistic.

[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

It's always hilarious and frustrating when people who don't understand a topic try to disprove it. This is the same energy as flat earthers pointing to the horizon and going "See!?!" or anti-vaxxers pointing out people who still get sick.

Anyone who thinks this logic is compelling should actually crack a book. I'd recommend Judith butlers gender trouble, but this sort of meme is peak dunning kruger. Literally too ignorant of a topic to actually argue against it.

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[-] Toes@ani.social 0 points 3 months ago

We all live in a state of quantum flux.

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[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

What if I’m naan binary (preferably garlic)?

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