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[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 372 points 6 months ago

Socialists don't hate markets, they hate workers not having any power or democratic choice in how they interact in the market.

Workers owning the means of production just means the workers are doing the same work but they are in ownership of the factory and the profits. They will still sell the products they produce in a marketplace.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 309 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You literally left Reddit because of what capitalism did to it.

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[-] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 185 points 6 months ago

The bias is justified. The left is correct. Markets don't create wealth without necessarily simultaneously creating poverty

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 115 points 6 months ago

For more information, research "surplus army of labor", "primitive accumulation", and "accumulation by dispossession".

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[-] imgonnatrythis@lemm.ee 167 points 6 months ago

Wtf is an uncorrupt government?

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 78 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

All types of governance and economic systems are susceptible to despotism.

It takes a constantly educated and involved population to fight it.

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[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 160 points 6 months ago

To paraphrase this cool guy named Ernesto: Its not our fault reality is marxist che-si

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[-] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 157 points 6 months ago

I think you will find any place thats well moderated and cracks down on bigotry and hatespeech will skew left.

Weird how that is, huh?

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[-] beef_curds@hexbear.net 145 points 6 months ago

You'll be happy to know there's a social media site just like lemmy run by capitalists. It has all the benefits that capitalist ownership provides.

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[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 142 points 6 months ago

middle class between what class and what class? the rich class and the having a great time class?

[-] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 95 points 6 months ago

Middle class between what

Lmao, this is such a good one

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 140 points 6 months ago

Do conservatives on lemmy ever do anything but whine that they're not immediately worshiped for their opinions?

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[-] American_Badass@hexbear.net 125 points 6 months ago

I know Hexbear skews very, very liberal. I haven't spent much time in other lemmy places.

[-] airlinefood@hexbear.net 128 points 6 months ago

20,000 liberals and me, the one true leftist.

[-] American_Badass@hexbear.net 98 points 6 months ago

I am on hexbear because I like the memes. I consider myself a centrist, but I do agree with their general stance of a revolution that leads to the abolition of private property, there should be a dictatorship of the proletariat, and the complete dedication to elevating our marginalized comrades. I just try not to get political there, and it's fine really.

[-] AlfredoBonannoFofana@hexbear.net 95 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm a centrist; Anarchists and Marxist-Leninists both make good points

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 91 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
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[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 121 points 6 months ago

"Me saying that if I had a genie in a bottle I could marginally improve the world"

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 108 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"wealth for many" yeah but not the majority, and oh whoops what happened to the rest? Oh boy would you look at that they're all destitute because capital needs a reserve army of labour in order to function.

Oh whoops would you look at that the market has a tendency to create a monopoly, that's weird.

Oh wait would you look at that the regulations are ineffective because the capitalists hold outsized influence in literally every capitalist "democracy" due to them holding the means of production, them having more resources available, which then gives them more time and ability to influence elections. Oh whoops media is a market and media shapes perception how did that happen?

Corruption isn't a bug, it's a feature.

Reality has a Marxist bias

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[-] Pectin8747@lemmy.ml 103 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

My experience has been the opposite. I've found that the majority of users tend to lean towards neoliberal and center-right ideologies. I guess most of them are probably American, so their warped worldview has them considering these ideologies as 'left-wing' instead 🙃

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[-] TheGreatFox@lemm.ee 102 points 6 months ago

uncorrupt government

I think you meant "free real estate for the CIA and their a puppet dictators".

It's what happens every time another country doesn't want to sell their natural resources for pennies.

[-] ComradeCmdrPiggy@hexbear.net 99 points 6 months ago

wealth for many

How many, exactly?

middle class

You mean like the big beautiful boaters trump-feed talks fondly about? Or the landlords that don't generate any actual value but get rich by literally leeching off of others (who largely do actual work that generates actual value?)

PIGPOOPBALLS

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[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 99 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Most would agree with your point - right up until you suggest that having an "uncorrupt government" is remotely possible.

Pretty much the same level of unrealistic idealism as folks who think it's remotely possible to transition a state to communism without it turning into authoritarianism.

There, now I've pissed off everyone lol

Edit: Except, I guess for the hardcore capitalists, but I assume those guys are all too dumb to read, so no point, really 🤷

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[-] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 92 points 6 months ago
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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 88 points 6 months ago

Markets don't "create wealth". People's work creates wealth. Banks don't create wealth, they create debt and allow more money to go into circulation than actually exists.

Regulation isn't only desired, it's crucial for any market economy to work, lest they devolve into corrupt, abusive monopolies and oligopolies. Granted, bad regulation can be equally abusive and real cases are plentiful.

Just as important as regulation is taxing who has more money, because generating wealth won't automagically distribute it in any ideal manner. The worst problem nowadays is just how easy it is for rich assholes to legally evade taxes no matter which country they're from.

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[-] RoomAndBored@hexbear.net 80 points 6 months ago

Capitalism is just markets. My god. It all makes sense now.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 78 points 6 months ago
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[-] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 76 points 6 months ago

Boot-flavored capitalist Kool-Aid must be so refreshing during such a torrid summer

[-] tracyspcy@lemmy.ml 73 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There is not such thing as middle class, pure sophistic. There are ~~only~~ 2 classes, proletariat and bourgeoisie.

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[-] Egon@hexbear.net 72 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Libs talking about stuff they obviously don't understand? Check.

An incredibly high number of comments politely explaining things? Check.

Libs being snarky and then being surprised when they get the same uncivil attitude right back? Check.

Uh yeah it's hexbear time

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[-] charlie@hexbear.net 70 points 6 months ago

What goes beneath the middle class? It's the implication Mac...

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