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[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I have no idea what you are talking about, to be honest. Never heard of those.

But Blasphemy is extremely different from Hate. Canada, for example, goes into explicit legal detail on what counts as Hate and constitutes a Hate Crime.

And Blasphemy has nothing to do with that discussion, nor have I ever heard of this concept, so either you are talking about something else entirely, or perhaps you have to link to what you are talking about?

When I look the term "Blasphemy Laws" up, it brings up something that has nothing to do with Hate Crimes. Did you perhaps use the wrong term?

[-] magnusrufus@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Throwaway's thing seems to be making shallow bad rightwing takes and backing them up with nothing of substance. I don't think they are engaging genuinely.

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago

So most conservatives when pressed on any of their beliefs.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We need to pressure mods to start banning them then.

It literally doesn't even matter what they're arguing about. The fact they're speaking in bad faith is what makes them problematic and the only ones who do that are those who have bad intentions.

Governments pay people to do that deliberately to forum slide, and there is a lot of revolutionary talk on Lemmy. A good way to stop anyone from doing something is to argue doing that action will violate a value they treasure -- like freedom of speech -- putting them in a hole where they try to convince the troll, and by proxy themselves, they're not being hypocrites. Which never happens because an honest debate where the acknowledgement the victim seeks was always impossible to get, and therefore the dissonance never resolvable. It's called cognitive dissonance, it's a trick abusers use, look it up.

Plus we're dealing with fascists, who take over governments from the inside, so it's reasonable to assume it's them doing it, too.

So speaking in bad faith needs to be policed and banned. Mods who refuse to do it should be replaced with those who will. If the mods are determined by everyone else to be ruling in bad faith, they need to be removed for that as well.

Human consensus based decision making is not perfect, but it's all we have and we have to make the most of it.

[-] hypna@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Pakistan has a one of the more remarkably bad histories with blasphemy laws, if you're looking for examples. I think they're not uncommon in Muslim majority countries. Western nations had similar laws as well, but I think you have to go back a couple centuries to find them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_in_Pakistan

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Apples and fuckin oranges my guy.

[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yes I know what that Blasphemy Law is.

But the thing is the person I responded to seemed to be talking about some other one, because we are talking about Anti-Hate speech laws, which is definitely not what you just linked to lol

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