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The salesman took no part in making the car. He is literally just the middle man. That guy is an idiot.
But contracts equal morality! Ayn Rand gave the Holy Writ on this, I believe it, that settles it!
Is the point still valid if you replace salesman with whoever worked on manufacturing the car?
The metaphor would at least make sense. The point he is trying, and failing, to make is stupid. Workers deserve a fair share of the profits.
The writers were paid when they wrote the show. They don’t own the rights to it. That guy made a good point.
The idea that writers aren’t entitled to a cut of the profit made off their work is stupid, not sorry. Companies literally wouldn’t have a product people want to buy without it.
A cut of the product is what stocks are for.
No, stocks are for investing in companies.
Again, THEY DON’T OWN THE PRODUCT.
And? They created it. Without them it does not exist. If their labor is worth so little then why is Hollywood putting so much money and time into breaking the strikes so they can own their labor without fully compensating them for it? Why does a company deserve to own a money printing machine but the people who made what they sell don’t deserve anything from it?
So should a construction worker be paid every time you drive across a road they built? Should a plumber be paid every time you flush a toilet they installed?
Should you be getting paid to carry water for Hollywood corporations that make tens of billions a year every time you post, or just the first time?
Here's the history of residuals and they started in the 60's through a strike. Cheers to it working again. https://www.sagaftra.org/membership-benefits/residuals/history-residuals
Again, THEY DON’T OWN THE PRODUCT. If they want residuals, then need to negotiate that with the network. As it is, they are paid $25-35K per episode which is a LOT of money for a weekly show per season.
Stop the White-Knighting for people who probably make exponentially more money than you do. Again- If they want to make royalties/residuals they can either negotiate for it- or create their own production company.
I’m not going to argue about this with you.
How much do the studio, producer, directer, and showrunners make? I think the writers are equal to the producer, directer and showrunners at least. Do they make more than I do? Probably. All of us should be sharing in more of the profits, not taking others down.
They’re contracted. So it’s irrelevant. It’s all based on what agreements they made with the production co.
The keyword here is “I think….”
When they’re not risking loss, they’re NOT equal.
No one is taking anyone down here. It’s just logical argument. You are basing everything on how you think it should be, without knowing how it is.
I assume a majority of them are on the lower end of your estimate at $25 per episode.
Look it up yourself.
I did and your numbers are wildly inflated. The average rate for network TV is $22.50 an hour, or $49,500 per year assuming full time employment, which would put them at $3,300 per episode with a 15 episode (roughly halfway between the old 22 episode format and current 10 episode format) season per year.
I guess this proves that the internet will tell us what we want to hear, doesn’t it? Because the numbers I found support my point. Either way, it doesn’t matter
They don’t own the product, they don’t take on the risk, they don’t get residuals. That’s how things work.
Answer the question. Why is a company entitled to print money off the creative work of artists? What entitles them to that and not the people who actually create the value?
Lmao, you don't know what you're talking about. What right wing rag told you this shit? Virtually no writers are making that much. I'd be shocked if a dozen are. Do you think the WGA is made up solely of millionaires?
You're not arguing with me about it because you're so uninformed you can't even have a conversation about it.
The company doesn't print money off of the creative work of the artists, they bundle that work with the work of others they've paid for the product and hope it makes some money. Sometimes that goes terribly, so would the artists also like to be on the hook for losses?
Sometimes I get down on myself for not being a very good person, but your comments made me realize I'm pretty good actually, or at least I don't have completely shite opinions like yours, so thanks for lifting my spirits
Ditto.
That type of thinking is one of the major problem in our country right now. The idea that a company can pay their employees the lowest wage they can get away with and then rake in millions off of their work without sharing any of the profits is what is leading to the end of the middle class. It’s ignorant as fuck.
No stupid, I’ve worked since I was 12 and have no issue with that. I just thing people should be paid fairly.
$25-35K for a weeks work is fair. Considering they’re taking no loss if the show fails, and not paying to produce it.
Learn about shit before you argue against it.
No loss? Who the fuck do you think loses their job, pay check, and health care if the show fails? It sure as shit isn’t the CEO of the company who was making the decision. I guarantee they will still receive a nice bonus at the end of the quarter. You are such a fucking brainwashed idiot. Wake the fuck up already. I’m not wasting anymore time on you.
Why do you keep trotting out "$25k-35k for a week's work" even though you've already been told it's a lie?
Stop trying to tell people how rich TV writers are until you can understand everything on this page: https://filmdaft.com/how-much-is-a-tv-screenwriter-paid/
You’re wrong, and I don’t care enough about you to correct you.
Have a good day.
$3,000 isn’t a lot of money for a group of people, the average full-time worker earns $1,085 a week. The writers created a story that a lot of people liked and that made a lot of money, so they deserve to be paid more. That guy made a bad point.
Again- THEY WERE ALL PAID WHEN THEY WROTE THE SHOW/MOVIE. $3,000 isn’t their only take home from their efforts. Stop moving goalposts.
My apologies, I thought you meant that the $3000 was what they were paid when they wrote the show. I misinterpreted what you were trying to say.
No worries. Yeah. They get paid anywhere between $25K and $35K per episode of network television. More if they’re good. Many are contracted and salaried as well.
Got any proof of that? This shows the average TV writer pay is $22/hr which is less than a basic warehouse job where I live. https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/TV-Writer-Salary#:~:text=As%20of%20Sep%202%2C%202023,States%20is%20%2422.53%20an%20hour.
Yeah. It’s called google.
Ah, so they're numbers you made up and $22/hr is the correct rate. Got it.
Just because I’m not entertaining your dumb argument, doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Google will net you the results you want. So whatever side of this you’re on, you can find the numbers that support your argument.
At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter.
THEY DON’T OWN THE PRODUCT- THEY DONT GET RESIDUALS.
This is how EVERYTHING works.
Music studio engineers do not get paid royalties when you by a CD. The guy who designed the sword of the character you play in a game doesn’t get paid every time the game is downloaded.
Those who took the risks do. Those who paid into the product’s development do.
Get over it.
Lol the fact that you think there are 'sides' when it comes to a calculated average rate of pay is pretty telling. Not to mention you got hostile the second someone questioned you and posted legitimate numbers from a site dedicated to job listings, while you stick to numbers that, as far as we can tell, were sourced from your own imagination.
If it doesn't matter then why are you getting upset? If it doesn't matter then studios will continue on producing content without the writers.
Why are you referencing music engineers and not songwriters in your analogy? Could it be that you know songwriters earn royalties for the work they produce? They create the product being sold (and resold ad nauseum) so they should be compensated for that. If their work didn't matter then the strike would have zero impact.
The fact that you think I’m upset is hilarious.
We can be done here. A thing more is a waste of time.