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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 17 points 5 hours ago

CFS is a syndrome rather than a disease because, until recently, it only presented as symptoms instead of as an identifiable problem with a person. I know that a some people who get diagnosed for CFS get later diagnoses as neurological disorders like multiple sclerosis.

It sounds like the more powerful MRI scanners are seeing inflammation in the rest of those suffering from CFS.

That would mean CFS is a lifelong degenerative condition.

[-] Neurologist@mander.xyz 19 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Hey I’m a researcher who works on ME (in the past called CFS).

ME/CFS is currently classified as a disease/biological illness according to the CDC.

ME is a disease state in itself. We don’t know much about it, but it can’t be explained by other diagnoses, as the defining factor, neuro-immune abnormalities including immune activation showing up post exertion is unique to it. You’re completely right that we don’t yet have a reliable biomarker. We have a test that differentiates from healthy controls, but it was discontinued for ethical reasons because conducting the test leads to a sometimes permanent worsening of the illness.

In the past it’s been mixed up and jumbled a lot, but the picture is getting clearer.

There have been a few case reports of degenerative forms of the illness. But in general it takes a more classical relapsing remitting pattern. Although even in less bad stages some patients are severely functionally disabled, even bedridden and tubefed. It has a really wide range of severities with the least severely affected able to work part time and walk and travel, while the most severe might not even be able to communicate.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 3 hours ago

It looks like the state of the art has advanced since the last time I was exposed to it. Thanks for the clarification.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

this is the extent of what I knew about CFS, I never heard of ME, I thought CFE was still a collection of symptoms that didn't even indicate a single underlying syndrome.

I like the progress, clearly seeing brain stem inflammation sounds like comic book talk from 20 years ago.

they're going to see inflamed dendrites next.

oh but isn't clogged dendrites how they identify multiple sclerosis already?

clearly I have to read more about this. catch up a bit.

thanks for the explanation.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 3 hours ago

My understanding is that MS is usually defined by the deterioration of the myelin sheath in brain cells which can be detected through MRI's.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

it is, and they can take pictures of the inflamed dendrites and axons showing where they're clogged, so I was wondering how much smaller these substructures in the brain stem are than dendrites and axons that neurons travel through, which are pretty freaking small and we've had pictures of for at least a couple decades now.

oh or maybe those were microscope slides and they're saying now we can microscopically look at this stuff without having to cut into it.

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