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what is this about? are different lemmy instances having beef?
It's the general Liberal vs Leftist fighting.
Mostly people who defend far-right aggression and pretend their stances are "leftist" getting upset when they get called out on their bullshit.
Are the "far-right agression" defenders in the room right now? What imaginary enemy have you concocted?
Are you saying there aren't people who defend aggressive actions by far-right politicians? That there aren't people who defend Netanyahu, Putin and Trump?
There's nobody defending Netanyahu, Putin, and Trump, and claiming to be Leftist.
Are you saying there's nobody who defends all three and claims to be a leftist? Because that I'd say I've never seen. But I've certainly seen various accounts claiming to be leftists and defending one or two of them.
What do you consider "defending?" No Leftist I have ever seen likes Putin, Trump, or Netanyahu, which means either you have an interesting idea of what "defending" means or you are yet another "left" anticommunist.
The Communists built Lemmy, there are going to be Communists on Lemmy.
Calling Communists "tankies" makes me doubt this.
Can you provide specific examples?
What is a "tankie" to you? All Marxist-Leninists? Defenders of AES?
You literally did at the beginning of this comment chain. The idea of a Communist calling other Communists "tankies" is a bit silly.
Stalin wasn't a dictator according to the CIA itself. If using historical evidence and proper analysis makes me a "tankie," then sure. Conservatives are a type of liberal as well, yes.
The PRC is Socialist, and the USSR was Socialist. I don't see how anyone labeling themselves a Socialist or a Communist could genuinely believe otherwise unless they haven't read theory. Would you mind explaining? According to you, authoritarians are just Communists who have actually read Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc.
You're all over the place, you denounce AES yet call yourself a Communist, you call Communists tankies, it's all very weird.
I can make recommendations for a basic theory reading list if you want.
Not just that, but some of the loudest voices do more harm than good for leftism.
Yep, "left" anticommunists are a known phenomena propped up by the US state department.
I've been wondering if a certain instance (not threads, a whole other discussion) might be more used than other instances, because I've also noticed a marked difference in discussion and tone. I'm well aware a lot of it can be explained away by more users coming and my own understanding becoming more informed. It just seems more cacaphoneous now.
Honestly I'm more worried about those who claim to be communists but do things that both go against the tenets of communism and make other communists look bad. Tankies are a subset of that.
Elaborate, what is this "tankie" and what do they do that "goes against the tenets of Communism."
How about you start by explaining what you think I mean?
I think you're yet another "left" anticommunist that hasn't read a word of theory, yet thinks reading wikipedia makes them an authority on Marxism. Hope I'm wrong!
Please participate in good faith rather than just making accusations.
I was. I asked you to elaborate, then you deflected and asked what I thought you meant. I answered honestly, it wasn't an accusation, it was what you literally asked for. Please respond in good faith.
You being anticommunist is what I thought you meant. Those aren't unrelated.
I have been acting in good-faith, you have been beating around the bush this entire time.
Communists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, etc. Anyone that actually defends AES and doesn't repeat US State Department Propaganda about the Global South.
So you think that what I meant by "I’m more worried about [some people who] make other communists look bad" was that I'm an anti-communist? That seems highly unlikely. If I were anti-communist, surely I'd love those people precisely because they make communists look bad?
Literally your first response to me in this entire thread was uncivil condescension.
Yeah that's not what I mean by Tankies, and it's not what most people mean by tankies. Not all marxist-leninists are tankies, for example. In fact I'd go out on a limb and say most aren't. But those who try to sweep under the rug the bad things that nominally-communist states have done are tankies, and they give other communists, other marxists, other marxist-leninists, and indeed all other leftists a bad name. (As an aside, most of the time those things were done by state-capitalist governments, not communist ones.)
I'm actually from the Global South. I can promise you the US state department is full of shit. As are most Americans who speak about it, including most American leftists.
"Left" anticommunism is a thing. People who claim to be leftists yet bash leftists.
I don't agree.
Mind explaining what "state-capitalist governments" that are supposedly supported by "tankies?" This is where I believe you're going for the "left" anticommunist bit. The whole "no true Communist movements" idea is "left" anticommunism.
Cool, that doesn't mean you can't be a "left" anticommunist.
Can you please copy and paste what bit seems so to you?
Here's a link: https://lemmy.ml/comment/14025222
Maybe. I'm just so used to it on another instance by moderators who ever ban for "civility", it doesn't even phase me. Maybe read past the words to the meaning. And don't wander into any irc channels, if that causes you offense.
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