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Yeah I respect vegans, and applaud them for their life choices. I'm not in a position to, or willing at this point to become a vegan, but I looked at their community... Mostly insults when referring to any meat eater. Yeah, I respect them a fair bit less now.
Person who pays for animals to be tortured feels a bit miffed.
Yes that's how you have a conversation. Good job.
Your performative concern for animals is noted.
I'll put those performative points into my V card for later use.
And this is why its impossible to have a conversation with yall. Even if you believe this, if you are hostile to outsiders, you just guarantee theyll want to do it more. Cult deprogrammers have to be real nice and mostly just listen for a reason
no one does that
You can keep telling yourself that if it helps.
if you have evidence to the contrary, you should present it.
I'm guessing they mean factory farming
in torture, the pain is the point. while i think factory farming is too ambivalent about suffering, i also believe the suffering is only incidental, not intentional. it's not torture.
perhaps you could explain that subtle difference to the animals going through the system of abuse.
Im sure it would brighten up their days no end to realise the pain they are experiencing is not the point of the system and that therefore, they are not being tortured.
i don't think i can, no. but propagandists can choose to stop using emotionally charged and incorrect terms.
funny that a person called commie doesn't understand exploitation.
this is just posturing and rhetoric. i have no problem with most forms of exploitation (this is true of most people i think). my problem is unfair, or even non-consensual, exploitation of other people.
Nice one comrade!
it is nice to have an examined world-view and be able to defend it, even against the most sinister sophists and zealots.
have you ever paid anyone at a factory farm? i haven't, and i don't think most people have.
Dave, in fact, could not behave and could not resist a personal attack.
is it very personal?
What part of insulted their individual lifestyle seems like business to you?
Where is the border between acceptable and not acceptable lifestyle? The animals can't consent. If you beat your wife, is that also an individual lifestyle we have to respect? What if you neglect and beat your pets, for a closer example? What if your individual lifestyle is dumping trash into the ocean?
Luckily we pass laws to regulate unacceptable lifestyles.
Go pass some laws. Instead of trying to be a vegan vigilante, try to organize and show compassion to people. Even if that means being belittled in the process, you'll have the moral high ground.
they said that they pay to have things killed on their behalf.
if they say it, then it ain't very personal is it?
"It's not a personal attack if you provided me with the information I used to attack you"
rather than paying for an actual physical attack on an animal.
I'm just saying that your logic over it not being a personal attack is funny.
I get your point, but I'm still not really sure how personal it is.
Individual lifestyle that forces animals through torture and murder. Nah do not misrepresent the situation.
Do you not understand what the word "personal" means, or are you confused about this usage of attack?
maybe you could enlighten me
Alright. If I were to say something like "You're a dumbass, and have no room to criticize." that'd be a personal attack because I'd be making a (metaphorical) attack on your person (character). Hope that helps.
sure. I did not say anything like that. I just reminded the poster that they pay people to abuse and kill animals.
Is that really so personal?
Says the person who pays for humans to be tortured they can have a phone.
See? We can all make disingenuous, insulting statements; but that's not productive in getting people to listen to us.
depending on how you see things, abuse is part of any system. that said, humans are at least able to be a part of the system and have dialogue with the system. there is potential to effect a system.
this cannot be said for a 4 day old calf being taken away from the mother for slaughter just so the mother can continue to lactate and little fat Jonny can have his full fat on his frosties again.
lastly, it's hardly insulting to remind people that they pay for disgusting levels of animal abuse.