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I agree with the "Use FOSS" part, but I can't help but notice a double standard thats often taken when these kinds of stories pop up. How come whenever a Chinese compant does something like this, China is always at fault? Why is it never America's fault when something like this happens with an American company or product?
Just for one thing, Chinese companies are required to have CCP members in their leadership.
I mean like the FBI buys all that data without a warrant anyways... So st least we pretend its not happening but like were practically looking in a mirror
I think China's worse. In many cases much worse, in some cases only a bit worse. But I do not excuse America.
Look at Xinjang. The Uyghurs are facing cultural eradication. Look at African Americans. Their situation is still bad and not ok! But it is the lesser evil when you compare what the US does to their minorities compared to what China does to theirs
Careful, there are some Americans that might take that as a challenge.
Realistically its hard to say, america had the benefit of worldwide influence so doesn't even need to do their dirty work on their land. They've also been at war for quite a lot longer than China, solely for personal gain.
Realistically they're both shit, let's just scrap the whole thing and start again
China releases theres after 1-2 years, america holds them for life for slave labour
both the same though
lets not forget who invented the gas chambers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Bath_riots
My man or woman, you are a communist idiot.
Up through the mid 20th century, all kinds of toxic insecticides were used for all sorts of irresponsible purposes, as their full their effects were not known. DDT was just sprayed into the air in rich and poor neighborhoods.
The world spewed lead-based gas into the atmosphere through the 1960s. Asbestos was considered a miracle chemical.
Using Zyklon B in a gas chamber and using it to disinfect clothes are very different things.
In fact, not but two years ago the US was requiring vaccination with a still experimental vaccine, the long-term effects of which are still unknown, to enter into the country.
did you read the source where the germans while constructing concentration camps refrenced and studied the gas chambers on the mexican border or not, because they did.
Shoving people into gas chambers against there will because they are foriegn (not just there clothes, people) was invented by America, the Nazis just turned up the concentration.
This shouldnt be suprising to you, america is worse than Nazi germany; the Nazis where stopped and defeated, Americas genocide succeeded against the native american population and is ongoing againt the african american population.
There was indeed genocide against the Native Americans. It, however, is no longer ongoing. In fact, they receive a lot of federal money. Native Americans can live and work anywhere in the United States. They can use their native languages, they can form part of the government. The current US Secretary of the Interior is a native of Laguna Indian Pueblo, from my own home state of New Mexico!
There is no genocide against African American people. There is indeed perhaps over-policing and discrimination. That is not genocide!! That doesn't make it moral or right, but genocide it is not.
You know what, when NASA and the USSR were inventing rockets they studied the German V2 rockets. When the US made a the first nuclear bomb they studied the work of quantum physicists. When the US bulid the interstate system they studied the Nazi Autobahn. This doesn't mean anything. Knowledge is neutral no matter its origin. It's up to people to use it for good or bad.
You are an absolute idiot. Goodbye.
The american prison population is larger than every country in the world combined and larger than any historic prison population in the history of mankind, you are misleading yourself if you think this.
You cant call the chinese ughyur prison population (which is 10% that of americas) who reported by the UN have an average prison stay of 1-2 years a genocide and then on the other hand white wash the american prison population of african americans, with an average prison sentance of life-20 years not a genocide on the same hand, liberals like you are insufferable.
Like with most liberals when confronted about there enlightened fascism the only response they have is to block and disengage, cant be bothered challenging the perception that you're worse than a fascist.
Like with most communists your only response to disagreements is to spew out-of-context word salad.
'gas chambers are up to the induvidual to use for good or bad' is your level of discourse
Nothing above is out of context, idiotic or a world salad, cope.
Have you ever heard about NSA?
I wanted to ask if you were born yesterday but I'll try to be more educative than sassy.
All companies in China exist purely with the blessing of the political party. No approval, no company. Everything is done by their books.
And in US is other way around, every political party has blessing of companies.
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Damn I wish that was me fr
I've never seen a more stupid reply. Are you a bot?
Yes, Im being paid personally by Xi and Putin to post and my posts are generated by ChatGPT, you can blame me for not having healthcare champ.
Unexamined racism. "Collectivist asians" and denying Asian individuality is very normal in the US/Europe. Malcolm Gladwell can write a book saying Koreans are culturally incapable of flying an airplane and it's fine. When Asians have human emotions it's normal to turn it into some special exoticized thing like "saving face". White people are individuals, Asians are a horde, nothing in Anglo culture prepares or encourages people to think about Chinese people as a billion individuals wandering around doing stuff for the same reasons you do. They're a singular alien unit, if you go to war with Japan it's only natural to lock all the Japanese people in a camp. Basically every book and newspaper article you've ever read talks about them they're all wired together like the Borg, unless you put a ton of effort into critical thinking there's no reason to escape that assumption.
Except the Chinese government has way more control over their companies than the US government does. In fact, there has been an explicit push recently by the government to increase their control and ownership of companies. It's also consistent with how most large states operate, especially ones with a history of trying to control ethnically Chinese people outside of their borders.
That isn't to say that a ton of anti China sentiment isn't racist; it's just that one doesn't need to be racist make such a prediction. It's true that many people who hate China hate it for the wrong reasons, but that doesn't mean there aren't things to take issue with.
Sure but stereotypes are involved in what you think a state owned bank owning 1% of Tencent stock practically means, and what kind of hateful thing you imagine a government that operates on the willing cooperation of millions of people is going to do with it. You don't need to be racist to hate China, but there are a lot more racists than people who studied Chinese corporate structure and came to a rational conclusion about it.
I don't know what "willing cooperation" has to do with anything. The US government has the willing cooperation of millions and had the willing cooperation of a majority of Americans in the past. That doesn't mean the US government didn't do some of the worst shit ever during the peak of their popularity. It's also not like consent isn't manufactured in China.
If anything, it's my belief in the similarities of the Chinese and US governments that makes me think they would do hateful things with their power. People in China are the same as people here. I don't have a rose tinted view of people here either.
I wish my government kept companies in check a bit more than they do. I live in the UK where all the water companies are owned by hedge funds and they keep discharging raw sewage into all our waterways. I feel we could do well to take back some control from them.