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[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 16 points 5 months ago

The fuck does Germany have to do with this? Germany is the second largest donor right after the US, and by a wide margin too. Where the fuck is the rest of Europe? Where the fuck is the US backing their half-assed security guarantees from the Budapest Memorandum, after forcing Ukraine to give up their nukes & long range bombers? This constant idiotic scapegoating & disinformation spreading against Germany is really fucking annoying.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I was referring to the fucked up military procurement process in Germany. Here's an excellent video with more details.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 5 months ago

I get that much but Nammo isn't even German and I'm pretty sure he generally meant the West as a whole.

[-] rogerhaase@mastodon.social -1 points 5 months ago

@DarkThoughts @LaFinlandia @CapeWearingAeroplane @Diplomjodler3 Germany displays contradictory images. Yes, they are the second largest donor, in absolute numbers. Measured by their GDP, they are at the back. Ukraine is less than 1000 km from the German border, so security concerns should be quite high. The German government acts half-heartedly due to a long standing appeasement policy towards Ruzzia by the ruling social democratic party. They are not all-in which they should be.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 6 points 5 months ago

Measured by their GDP, they are at the back.

Not really. They're at 10th place with 1.2% and the only countries in front are small countries with a weaker economy, which benefit much more from GDP measurements. For comparison, the UK is at 20th place with 0.5%, the US at 29th and France at 30th place, both with 0.3% each, Italy at 34th place with not even 0.2%.

The German government acts half-heartedly due to a long standing appeasement policy towards Ruzzia by the ruling social democratic party.

Alright? If Germany acts halfheartedly because of your disinformation, what's your excuse for literally everyone else being so much worse then? If "appeasement Germany" is one of the greatest supporters of Ukraine, then that paints an even darker image for all the other countries, no? Like, what does this say about the West? That they're all Russian puppets? I'm really curious about how you're rationalizing this with how you think about Germany.

They are not all-in which they should be.

Germany simply does not have much actual military gear, because after the cold war ended, everyone in Europe, especially the countries to the east of it, wanted Germany to demilitarize so that they're not a threat again. Like, I'm sorry but you cannot expect a country to constantly flip-flop on their military. Changes like these are not just expensive but also take a lot of time. And just to be clear, by definition no one but Ukraine is "all-in".

[-] RidderSport@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Drei (mutmaßlich) Deutsche streiten auf Englisch online darüber, ob Deutschland genug tut. Aber eigentlich sind sich alle einig, dass dies nicht der Fall ist, genau mein Humor.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 5 months ago

I'm just fighting back against blatant disinformation.

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