73
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev -3 points 5 months ago

Nothing to do with anger. It's just business. They were allowed to leech, now they can't and the naive, purist opensource community (notice the qualifier purist aka not the entire opensource community) will happily join the ranks of businesses that couldn't be bothered to donate to Redis despite their money chests. Redis is now a competitor and capitalists don't like competition. They like monopolies ergo valkey has to become the new #1 and redis has to die.

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

[-] RonSijm@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago

They were allowed to leech, [...]

Services like AWS and Google Cloud offer 1000s of "free software" (like Redis) as a service - like AWS Elasticache - and if you look at the pricing, cache.t2.micro for example, is $0.017/hour, while just a plain t2.micro vm is $0.0116/hour. So effectively AWS is only "leeching" $0.0054 an hour on the Managed Redis that they're offering.

An AWS managed Redis is just easier, otherwise I'd have to boot my own t2.micro, and install Redis there. I'd still be using official Redis on AWS, because self-hosting is still fine in the new license, it's just more work for me, because the license doesn't allow AWS to do it for me anymore.

and the naive, purist opensource community ([...]) will happily join the ranks of businesses that couldn’t be bothered to donate to Redis

It's funny how people are now siding with Redis. When other companies did something similar (like identityserver4 was FooS, and then they created their new commercial company - and everyone was like "fuck you, you people are sellouts.".

Most of the time when a FooS project goes commercial, people make a free fork and the commercial project slowly dies

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev -4 points 5 months ago

So effectively AWS is only “leeching” $0.0054 an hour on the Managed Redis that they’re offering.

24*365*0.0054 = 47,304$/ year / instance. How many instances are hosted by AWS? How many are hosted by Google? How many by other Redis aaS?

It’s funny how people are now siding with Redis

I live in the real world, not some make believe where we live from the gratification of free work alone. It was fine when ElasticSearch did it and it's fine when Redis is doing it. If you take an opensource project, build a business off of it, make millions, don't contribute back in a significant manner, and compete with that opensource project's own product hampering its development, then this kind of license is in no way a surprise.

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

[-] RonSijm@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago

243650.0054 = 47,304$/ year / instance. How many instances are hosted by AWS? How many are hosted by Google? How many by other Redis aaS?

Formatting it like 47,304$/ year seems like you're saying it's $47k, but it's just $47. How much would it cost any company to self-maintain their Redis instance?

Don’t contribute back in a significant manner

They have multiple people full time employed that are contributing, and how are they "hampering its development"?

If you look at the top contributors: https://github.com/redis/redis/graphs/contributors

  • #4 Binbin works for Tencent Cloud
  • #6 Zhao Zhao works for Alibaba
  • #7 Madelyn Olson works for AWS
  • #9 Wen Hui works for Huawei

Soo actually these cloud providers are some of biggest contributes to the project. They're not just taking Redis and aren't contributing. The opposite actually lol.

Besides, you're acting like Redis is some poor little startup, but they're a company with 991 people (by their linkedin stats). Its like if Oracle would change the MySQL license, and then you side with Oracle "Poor little Oracle, everyone uses MySQL, but no one contributes" - yea no

this post was submitted on 02 Apr 2024
73 points (95.1% liked)

Programming

17025 readers
189 users here now

Welcome to the main community in programming.dev! Feel free to post anything relating to programming here!

Cross posting is strongly encouraged in the instance. If you feel your post or another person's post makes sense in another community cross post into it.

Hope you enjoy the instance!

Rules

Rules

  • Follow the programming.dev instance rules
  • Keep content related to programming in some way
  • If you're posting long videos try to add in some form of tldr for those who don't want to watch videos

Wormhole

Follow the wormhole through a path of communities !webdev@programming.dev



founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS