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Electric boats seem like a great idea, especially with all the pollution the really large cruise ships put out. I’m happy to finally see this become mainstream. On the water there’s nothing to really get in the way of solar panels, either, so it makes sense to have them for charging.
There should be no superyachts no matter what powertrain
The sad part is that shit isn't even close to a "super" yatch. It's a very large fancy sailboat. A super yatch is a hole different ball game.
I disagree, but I also don’t have a problem with people or companies being wealthy enough to make or own them, either.
Disgusting
“Hey! This guy believes people should be allowed to own nice things that they enjoy! Get him!”
Of course people should be allowed to own nice things that they enjoy.
The problem is that these specific people are only able to afford these specific nice things because of economic systems that are based on hundreds of millions of people not being able to afford any nice things in life, ever.
Not that I'm specifically blaming multimillionaires and billionaires for the shortcomings of global economy systems.
They have just benefitted from them in the same way other people are suffering from them.
Does ecosystem carrying capacity overshoot ring a bell? Individual footprint matters, especially if massively oversized.
Sir, we’re talking about boats.
10 MUSD boats made from graphite epoxy composite and quite a few tons of lithium batteries. And the support infrastructure. And the sum of activities on the cruise. Plus other stuff people who buy such trinkets engage in.
There are peer reviewed publications quantifying that, with some surprising numbers in them. The golden billion has an outsized footprint, but the elites have a hockey stick shaped contribution distribution there.
Cool story, bro. You hate boats and the people that enjoy them. We get it.
See communist China for a primer on why it's not a great idea to discourage success.
They literally have the world's biggest economy and the second most amount of billionaires on the planet behind the US. I don't think monetary success is being discouraged over there like you think it is.
They aren't all that communist anymore.
Amazing, a one sentence Gish gallop
See fascist America for a primer on why it’s not a good to make success dependent on economic upbringing.
Also if your idea of success is a multi million dollar yacht, than 99.99% of us will never be successful by that metric, so why want to uphold it.
you must be joking right someone tell me i'm not getting the /s
Are you thinking he’s joking because electricity + water = zap zap? Because I’ve got some bad news for you about what boats have been carrying around for a very long time. Some underwater boats, let’s call those subs, even carry explosives that if detonated could destroy a city of 3mil+
Edit: see Morse’s comment below for explanation, makes a lot more sense
No ! it's because $10 million yachts for billionnaires are of course not good for the environment ! It's greenwashing ! "well yeah i'm a billionnaire and i run an ecocidal megacorporation but look : my luxury superyacht is electric !" i'm baffled that people could ever think this is a good way to mitigate the climate crisis
TL;DR electric $10M yachts aren't good for the environment ; not building any yacht at all is the best answer
The best answer between an unachievable ideal and a reasonable compromise is always a reasonable compromise.
Well, then we're doomed, since reasonable compromises got us where we are.
I don't think a 10 million dollar yacht, be it electric, diesel or diesel powered, is anywhere near a reasonable compromise
I find them to be excessive as well, but since we have no power over wealthy people being conspicuous consumers the idea that they shouldn’t exist is unfortunately an unattainable ideal.
On the flipside, expensive toys like these often support R&D that eventually reaches more mass market production products.
People talked a lot of smack about the original Telsa Roadster (not getting into the politics of Elon here, what a mess), but the Roadster helped fund the Model S which funded the Model X, 3, and Y and ultimately forced every other vehicle manufacturer to get in the EV game.
When faced with situations out of my control I try to find the best path to beneficial outcomes.
Ah that makes a lot more sense and I will definitely have to agree with you
No I think the issue is that electric boats will never do as much mileage as a car to offset the carbon in their production. And also that its still doing the exact same thing that is the problem: having massive industrial production for excess. Its entirely about image and pretending to care
Well, I'm not sure I totally agree with this. Pretending to care is painting a diesel yacht green and saying it's now ... green. This is caring enough to change propulsion technologies. You might say it's excess, but that's a matter of opinion and perspective IMO. There are a lot of people who would argue with you that instead of electric cars we should just get rid of cars. Because to do otherwise is just showing off your excess. That more obviously doesn't fly because most people have way more familiarity with cars and see why they would want them compared to yachts. Where does this "we should just not produce this leisure thing" vs "we should improve the way we make and use this leisure thing to be better environmentally" end?
Well my first sentence explains that. Boats will never do enough mileage to offset the carbon in their production. Cars are utilities, we use them as tools. Most of us don't own cars for fun, they are a necessity. Superyachts are luxury toys. Why not convert existing yachts to electric? That would still be a better oprion that building new ones.