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It's called Igo and it was invented in Korea. It has less unique pieces than compared to chess, yet is more complex than chess by a higher order of magnitude.
I mean, if you're going to say that the name isn't "go" (which is certainly a common English term for the game) AND that it was invented in Korea, then surely the name should be Baduk, the Korean term for it. Igo is the Japanese name. (and for what it's worth, weiqi is the Chinese term.) Admittedly English-speakers mostly use Japanese terms for the game, like "atari," "joseki," "hane," etc., but that's more a historical accident than anything else.
The origin of the name given to the game "baduk" is controversial because no one can prove where it came from, and also the words "bat" and "dok" mean "flat stone" and is not a name, but rather a description.
China actually! In 500ish BCE :D
The claim that it was invented in China is actually from baseless speculation from a flawed study published back in 1993 from a Chinese university tied to a government propaganda campaign and regurgitated in an essay posted in 2004 that someone cited on Wikipedia in 2014.
You're both wrong. Given it's combined age and complexity, there is only one rational explanation...
"If there are sentient beings on other planets, then they play Go." - Emanuel Lasker
Do you have a source for that? I can't find any information on it and every Go site lists China including the British Go Association
The British Go association is citing gobase.org which is registered in the Netherlands, who is citing a historian named H.J.R. Murray. who said he read a 1983 Watanabe Hideo book where that guy says he saw a picture of a Go board excavated in China back in 1954, that is not possible to correctly carbon date since there was no reports of that excavation having any evidence of organic material collected to properly carbon date and no one has any photographs nor records to inspect of the actual excavation.
You are literally relying on a Chinese university tied to the Chinese government telling you "trust me bro we invented this" without providing the public any factual info to investigate.
As opposed to your source which is..... "Trust me bro."
They asked for your source, not why theirs was wrong. You still haven't provided one.
I'm literally going through all the citations that are available in Wikipedia and the links OP is posting. You want me to post that shit in a redundant unecessary way? Because that's actually what I'm doing.
No, I want you to provide a source that says Go was invented in Korea. I also checked Wikipedia, and several other sites about Go, because you made me curious, since I had always heard it was invented in China.
Everything I've seen has said it was invented in China.
Looks like I misread a John Fairburn book where he says Wei'Qi was invented 1000 years ago and the Chinese lied that they invented it 4000 years ago. Even those claims come from dubious archeological excavations done in China.
I'm going to dig deeper, but I remember reading somewhere there's evidence of it actually being invented in India long before it was popular in China, based on the game called Navakankari/Daadi made of small wooden pieces that are less likely to survive archeological records.
What's YOUR source.
https://www.usgo-archive.org/brief-history-go
http://www.usgo-archive.org/files/bh_library/originsofgo.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20130516100351/http://www.usgo.org/files/bh_library/originsofgo.pdf
https://gobase.org/reading/history/china/?sec=part-2
https://www.britgo.org/intro/history
http://www.china.org.cn/english/features/Archaeology/131298.htm
http://www.intergofed.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2016_Go_population_report.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20170517013354/http://www.intergofed.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2016_Go_population_report.pdf
https://kvk.bibliothek.kit.edu/view-title/index.php?katalog=KOBV_SOLR&url=https%3A%2F%2Fportal.kobv.de%2Fuid.do%3Fplv%3D2%26query%3Dgbv_42296218X&signature=7mESuIuzU4AU21hX3ZEwBRfpY7M8Nlf8rekGnw9uGns&showCoverImg=1
https://search.worldcat.org/title/54989039?oclcNum=54989039
http://library.msri.org/books/Book29/files/moloopy.pdf
http://library.msri.org/books/Book29/contents.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20110410143450/http://library.msri.org/books/Book29/files/moloopy.pdf
https://books.google.com/books?id=OixuQqUWHbIC
http://library.msri.org/books/Book29/files/muller.pdf
I don't know what you were trying to prove here, but not a single one of the links mentions Korea as the birth place, if they worked at all. As you go further down the list, they either don't work or have access to the content. For the ones that do work, they all start with a variation of the following: