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Twitch immediately rescinds its artistic nudity policy
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Which is not "artistic nudity". Unless you are one of those loonies who protests outside of museums.
Rather than actually moderate the people abusing it because GASP women might wear something other than a burka*, it just became a blanket ban like it used to be. Except video games still get the exception because God specifically wrote on the ten commandments that we are allowed to see dick and titties in a GTA but can never see one in a painting.
*: Seriously. How do those fucks survive walking down the street? Let alone going to a beach
To be fair Rockstar was really the company that normalized nudity in games. Not that is is normalized, I can only think of a handful of companies that have done it in mainstream games. Cd project red gamed and that Conan exiles or whatever mmo where you get a dick? Honestly can't think of others.
Like most things, "eurojank" and PC games had been doing it for decades since then. In large part because, once you get out of the US, nudity is just a thing as opposed to THE GREATEST THREAT TO HUMANITY BECAUSE BABY JESUS!!!!
Like, I have seen plenty of clips of streamers learning that playing older FMV games is a minefield for that reason. And those tend to be more "discretionary" rather than "We have decided that you can see Astarion's dick"
This is a very Eurocentric statement. Many other countries in the world actually have more restrictive rules and mores around nudity than the US does.
But personally I think nudity should be protected as part of the human right to free expression.
Like Saudi Arabia, yes.
Also China and India, so like a quarter to a third of the world's population
Note that they're all culturally conservative, oppressive places though.
Nudity has been normalized in video games since at least Custer's Revenge for the Atari 2600, if not earlier.
Shout-out to Seanbaby's amazing review of this game (among others)
http://www.seanbaby.com/nes/nes/egm09.htm
First of all, it was under Twitch's version of "artistic nudity" which is part of why they rescinded the statement
And you either allow something or you don't. Part of the reason this whole fiasco happened is because Twitch wasn't very clear on what was and wasn't allowed. If you allow artistic nudity paintings, what's going to stop people from saying hentai is just artistic nudity? Or AI generated porn, like the article was talking about? It's a pain in the ass, and Twitch isn't the place for it despite the discussion anyways...
You use similar rules to how video games are allowed. Or like how art actually is handled
Because, if you go to an art museum? Odds are you are going to see a nipple and maybe even some breastfeeding (the scandal of it all!). Hell, you might even see stuff like the fisherman's wife and the like. But you probably aren't going to see gaping vag and people riding sybians.
Believe it or not, it isn't a hard problem when people act in good faith. Rather than just immediately noping out because a bunch of assholes are too immature to understand that "artistic nudity" is actually a concept.
The commenter is being a jerk, but you're misinterpreting the point they're trying to make. Twitch has a had a lot of issues with rules enforcement since the introduction of the 'Just Chatting' section when it comes to sexual content. What's considered acceptable has only ever been nebulously defined in the TOS really.
Because of this a lot of disproportionate bans have happened on women simply for existing, largely affecting smaller streamers because large ones generally just get a slap on the wrist. On the other side of the spectrum the rules have also allowed for a lot of loopholes being taken advantage of, like for example the hottub craze. The other commenter is not exaggerating when they are saying that people stream themselves pole dancing and doing strip teases.
Whether you agree or disagree on the level of sexualization that should be allowed on the platform, what's considered acceptable use definitely needs to be more rigidly defined for the benefit of everyone.
The "TOS" has consistently been misogynistic. It took how long to even pretend to make guys put shirts on? And they still regularly refuse to and nothing happens.
But a woman wearing a tube top and not making it explicitly clear that she is fully clothed out of frame? End of the fucking world and all the "I am gonna test the waters to get that kick bag" streamers needed to chime in and start a holy war.
I think the rules that just got rolled back were an AWESOME start. They needed refining, but it solved the issue of "I really don't want to see hot tub streams on the front page" while also acting like adults. And the response to people pushing the boundaries in bad faith was to roll it all back and see if they can mail out some twitch branded burkas to every female presenting streamer on the platform.
While I have more than a few issues with his response (mostly because he is "friends" and business partners with a lot of those "so... how much of that tate bag can I get and will kick pay me for it?" streamers...), Ludwig's response to this a day or two ago was pretty spot on. Youtube already has this shit and nobody cares. The key is just to keep it off the front page, which these rules did. Then just drill down and refine the rules to let people know how far they can push it while the actual artists do whatever.
I'm not saying there's no such thing as artistic nudity, I'm saying that believe it or not Twitch ISN'T a curated art museum and believe it or not people DID use it in bad faith to make pole dancing streams, strip teasing streams, streams where they generate nude AI images, etc.
That's hilarious, because calling everyone who doesn't agree with you an asshole isn't a good faith argument
Again, if only there were things called moderators and rules and bans. But nah, that would be impossible. So better get rid of all of that while still keeping all the content you like
God. andrew tate REALLY fucked up an entire generation of incels.
Log off and come back when you can make a discussion without calling someone an asshole or incel
What discussion can be had when a single nipple is the equivalent to a tentacle ganbang and people are genuinely afraid of the human body?
At least this way I highlight how completely asinine the bad faith "How can you have any art when people are going to draw veiny dicks on tentacles? DELETE IT ALL!" is as an "argument".
No one in this thread is arguing for that, it's literally just you screaming it and calling everyone an incel.
I get that reading comprehension being at an all time low is a major issue facing humanity and all but please try to put some effort in if you are going to interact on a predominantly text based message board.
I really hope you're just having a bad day and that you don't actually engage in conversation like that usually.