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submitted 1 year ago by denissimo@feddit.de to c/linux@lemmy.ml

For context, LDAC is one of the few wireless audio codecs stamped Hi-Res by the Japan Audio Society and its encoder is open source since Android 8, so you can see just how long Windows is sleeping on this. I'm excited about the incoming next gen called LC3plus, my next pair is definitely gonna have that.

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[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ldac is not actually that good, it's actually fairly rare that LDAC beats out something like SBC XQ let alone AAC

EDIT: for elaboration, LDAC works at 3 main data rate ranges 990/909, 660/606 and 330/303. Ldac is only high res at the 990 range, and even at that range, it still often looses when pipewire is compiled against libfdk. keep in mind that it's hard to get real numbers on LDAC because decoding is proprietary, meaning I had to disassemble headphones and connect those for verification, but typically AAC on supported headphones beat out 990kbps LDAC (which is hilarious btw considering LDAC can rarely actually work at 990kbps anyways) and both SBC-XQ and LC3Plus (both of which are usable with pipewire) regularly beat 660kbps LDAC.

TLDR LDAC is crap and SBC-XQ is typically more accurate and lower latency, and LC3Plus is even better then that. and if you have AAC compatible headphones assuming latency isnt a major issue (which you are using LDAC so it's not) just use AAC, both fidelity and latency is better

EDIT: I should mention, it is known that vendors will tune codecs, I believe Valdikks article in habr briefly goes over this. so it's very possible that tuning could mean that x codec, including LDAC could be the only good codec, however with how badly LDAC maintains 990kbps, I doubt it will make much of a difference

[-] marmo7ade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Tell me you're an apple fanboi without telling me you're an apple fanboi.

LDAC is "only" high res @ 990. OK? WTF is your point? It sounds better than every other codec.

it still often looses when pipewire is compiled against libfdk

Can you explain the practical implication of this when I listen to music on my Pixel phone? (spoiler: there is none)

but typically AAC on supported headphones beat out 990kbps LDAC

100% total bullshit. Here are the tests:

https://www.soundguys.com/ldac-ultimate-bluetooth-guide-20026/

AAC does not have better fidelity. What a joke of a claim.

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

at 990/909 kbps bluetooth can hardly hold that bitrate unless you have really good conditions so much as walking down a stream will bring it down to 660kbps

and yes, AAC does have better fidelity, at 320kbps AAC and Opus are largely transparent to 90% of users keep in mind I am comparing fdkaac on Pipewire, NOT android, this is an important distinction since they were testing android, and you can see here how spotty AAC is on android https://www.soundguys.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-bluetooth-headphones-aac-20296/

I am talking specifcally about linux in this context

EDIT: also it's not about being an apple fanboy, Opus is largely just as good, marginally better, but no headphones support them, if you want you can even compile pipewire with higher bitrate limits on opus for stereo, (IIRC the pro profile can override it? cant remember but code is here https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/blob/master/spa/plugins/bluez5/a2dp-codec-opus.c)

[-] RunAwayFrog@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

keep in mind that it’s hard to get real numbers on LDAC because decoding is proprietary

I used to think the same. But as it turns out, a decoder exists. Maybe some people don't want anyone to know about it to keep the myths alive ;)

EDIT: Also, as a golden rule, whenever anyone sees the words High-Res in an audio context, they should immediately realize that they are being bullshitted.

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

just because a decoder exists doesnt mean it's good and usable, and it also doesn't mean you are legally allowed to use it without the appropriate licensing

[-] Gatsby@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Your skin glows quite beautifully, narc.

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