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"Hamas’s broader plan [was] one that analysts say was intended not just to kill and capture Israelis, but to spark a conflagration that would sweep the region and lead to a wider conflict."

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[-] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

LOL Hamas didn't change the discussion, Israel did. I came into the news on Oct 07 with "Fucking Hamas" vibes, but that very quickly changed to, "Wow OK, Israel isn't fucking around." then "Woah Israel OK, maybe use a little more care there, I get that you were attacked but -- WOAH ISRAEL WTF ARE YOU DOING?"

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-was-hamas-thinking

As recently as 2020, Hamas committed to participate in Palestinian national elections; this plan fell apart not because of Hamas but because of the Western-backed Palestinian Authority, whose leaders denounced Israel’s refusal to allow elections in East Jerusalem.

Had these apparent gestures of compromise all been part of a ruse to buy time while Hamas prepared a brutal assault? Abu Marzouk insisted that these efforts at negotiation and coexistence had been genuine. He blamed Israel and the Western powers for thwarting Hamas’s overtures. He told us, “We rolled down all of the pathways to get some of our rights—not all of them. We knocked on the door of reconciliation and we weren’t allowed in. We knocked on the door of elections and we were deprived of them. We knocked on the door of a political document for the whole world—we said, ‘We want peace, but give us some of our rights’—but they didn’t let us in.” He added, “We tried every path. We didn’t find one political path to take us out of this morass and free us from occupation.”

There is some evidence to support Abu Marzouk’s narrative. In recent years, Hamas had appeared willing to coexist with the Jewish state. But, as Abu Marzouk acknowledged to us, Hamas also never abandoned core demands such as full Palestinian independence and the right of all Palestinian refugees to return to their homeland. Nor did the group relinquish its weapons. “But we didn’t mislead anyone,” he told us. “We never hid these slogans.”

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Never read such bullshit before - those whiny ass Hamas bitches justifying butchering all those civilians.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago

If you were Hamas, what would you have done differently to obtain rights and privileges for the Palestinian people?

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

If they only wanted to make the most extreme statements:

https://allthatsinteresting.com/thich-quang-duc-burning-monk

The difference compared to Hamas is, this monk sacrificed only himself.

If they wanted to turn it down a notch, they could have started with daily Demonstrations with thousands of people for starters.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

They already tried to peacefully protest. Your suggestion is self immolation? Is that what you would do, or would you direct your anger outward?

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

So are you honestly pretending that Hamas didn’t send hundreds of suicide bombers into Israel before the blockade by Israel was imposed? This blockade was in return protested against by Hamas backed Protesters and those protests turned violent often.

The primary reason for the blockade is Hamas, so that the terror organization doesn’t get even more weapons than it already has.

Would YOU let a terror organization in your backyard gain access to weapons and military equipment that has vowed to wipe you and your people of the face of the earth?

And since you asked: No, I would never turn my anger outward like that. Never.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The motivations and methods of Hamas does not negate the fact that a peaceful protest March did take place. Meaning, the people of Palestine have tried peace. They were shot and maimed, even children. Let me ask you, if all 2.2 million Palestinians declared themselves Hamas, would you advocate for wiping them out?

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago

You don’t even try to have a discussion and are not answering questions. Your Strawman arguments are quite lame.

You only want to paint the picture that poor Hamas had no other choice but to maim and kill civilians.

I end this „discussion“ at this point

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

So much hate, for what?

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