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[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

True, because it's also a giant Ponzi scheme. We pick up new debt today to pay off debt from yesterday, and we hope expanding GDP and inflation will always offset the difference.

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Like social security?

[-] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Is there a difference between a pyramid and a ponzi scheme?

[-] A2PKXG@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, but most people using the term don't know their defitition, so knowing the correct definition is of limited usefulness.

Ponzi is for Investments that offer high returns, by marking the principal as gains. Pyramid schemes sell stuff, through a pyramid of salesmen. Each one earns a percentage of the revenue of his underlings and is encouraged to recruit more underlings.

[-] Sarcastik@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's used so interchangeably these days that I'm inclined to say no, but an oversimplication is that a ponzi scheme is always illegal and is more detailed in its mechanics (as named after conman Charles Ponzi). Wheras a pyramid scheme (or more commonly known: MLM) can actually be legal depending on how it's constructed.

A ponzi scheme involves a conman who scams his customers by taking massive profits from their investors and requires a constant stream of new investors to pay off the old ones. This is fraud.

A pyramid scheme usually involves some type of product and pays huge bonuses to the recruiters at the top for bringing in more people below them from the investment of new people below them. This is taxing uneducated people but can be legal.

TLDR: capitalism is more akin to a pyramid scheme and not at all like a ponzi scheme.

[-] halfelfhalfreindeer@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

You're not forced to take on that debt though, nor is the debt unpayable unless you take on more debt. Some people put themselves into a ponzi-like situation either through poor financial decision making or circumstances so shit that they can't do any better, but the average person doesn't need to take out a loan on a freaking pair of nikes or even a car or house. It's a cultural norm to get a mortgage, but if you do the math it often doesn't make sense to and isn't anywhere close to mandatory. At most you could argue that the US government debt works that way, but even that's iffy and depends on your geopolitical outlook.

[-] Barack_Embalmer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly. I'm thinking of dying for a few years so I can save up enough to get on the property ladder. Just waiting for a decent grave to come up on the outskirts of town where the rents aren't too high.

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