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[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

The Israel/Palestine situation feels a lot like the situation between Native Americans and European settlers. You can't move into an already occupied place and try to dominate or displace the native inhabitants without expecting violent resistance. (And go figure the British are largely to blame for this too).

[-] BunkerBusterKeaton@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

yes, and fwiw this is still very much ONGOING for native americans today

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Absolutely. And the Native Americans stopped killing the settlers.

[-] BunkerBusterKeaton@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago
[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

With Israel and Palestine it is hard to say one side of the other is totally on the wrong and the other is totally in the right because they are killing each other. With native Americans, it is possible to say Native Americans are 100% in the right.

[-] BunkerBusterKeaton@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

what makes you say the palestine struggle is any different than that of natives or colonized people anywhere in the world (be it Haiti, North Africa, South Africa).

they are all a colonized people experiencing the same struggle of oppression, with no ability to move freely or exercise any sovereignty.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

I was specifically talking about North American natives who haven't had any battles against their occupiers in more than a century. I would argue that continued fighting would have led to their extermination and by ceasing killing they were able to claw back some of their sovereignty and rights.

I understand that in an asymmetric war, the underdogs may need to act immorally to ensure their own survival. At the same time, I find it hard to stomach the intentional targeting of noncombatants.

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