362

It’s time Europe reduced its defense reliance on the US, Czech president says (www.politico.eu)

submitted 11 months ago by zephyreks@lemmy.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

102 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 36 points 11 months ago

Europe shouldn't let it's home-grown defence industries languish in the name of strategic cohesion. Europe has no domestic competition to the F-35, no cohesive military procurement strategy that rewards European businesses, and no mechanism to avoid the shitshow of being entirely dependent on US defence contractors for maintenance of key defence infrastructure.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

I hope they have no competition to the F-35 because everyone’s been saying it’s a piece of shit for the last fifteen years.

[-] Cynoid@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think the situation is more nuanced than that.

Of course, the F-35 program was an incredibly expensive mess (litterally the most expensive weapon program of all time), because of conflicting specs, data leaks, political infighting, cost overruns which are the stuff of legend, etc... At some moments, there were certainly reasons to think the whole program would collapse on itself like wet tissue paper.

But there are operational F35 now. 900+ as of 2023, which is 4 time more than the rest of Gen 5 fighters combined. And performance-wise, it is good, especially on the stealth & avionics parts. On the other side, the J-20 is largely unproven (probably a decent design, but not as good), and the Su-57 is a bunch of glorified prototypes.

Now sure, cost is high, maintenance is time-consuming, availability somewhat below target, but it's not particularly surprising for high-performance equipment. It may fall short of the ambition of the program on the cost part, but by itself it's a dangerous and fully operational fighter.