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[-] Rubezahl@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I am from Eastern Europe and I share this sentiment when I see anyone from the West defending communism. The issue is complicated but, to put it bluntly:

No, Timothy, communism didn't fail in Eastern Europe because it was implemented wrongly. This is a very complicated topic but the tldr summary is "It is a broken idea, it did not work and it will never work. The natural and logical outcome of any attempt at Marxism is a bloodbath followed by autocracy."

That being said, communism isn't the only way to achieve a more equitable society. You have social democracy (in Lennin's words - communism's greatest adversary); organized labour movements; collectivist anarchism; communitariasm, etc.

Communism, as applied in the 20th century, violently fought against or oppressed all of these movements and is incompatible with any of them.

Not to mention that in most countries nowadays orthodox communists have been hugely discredited for excusing the Russian war of annihilation against the Ukrainian people.

In conclusion, if you live in the USA or Western Europe and you are unhappy with how corporate greed has ruined society, don't look to communism for answers. There are many other proposed solutions out there - go and research these. Communism is very well known, which makes it easily accessible to people who want change - but it is never, ever the solution.

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[-] hare_ware@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Didn't the USSR just do state capitalism, and not actual communism or socialism? And weren't they also totalitarian & also not a democracy? Are people actually asking for what was happening in astern Europe or something else?

[-] FluffyPotato@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yup. Also shot the anarchists, that worked with them and wanted democracy, in the back of the head during a meeting, The USSR then also did imperialism in their neighboring countries, deported a ton of people from those countries to death camps in siberia and allied with the nazies dividing Europe in their treaty

[-] salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Anarchists are the first victims of authoritarian regimes. The dictator goes for them first, even before their sworn enemies, e.g. fascists or, if it's a fascist dictatorship, communists.

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[-] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile, Eastern Europeans:

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[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago
[-] rubpoll@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

“The pure (libertarian) socialists' ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.”

― Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism

[-] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago
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[-] FellowEarthling@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Oh yes because those same westerners are talking about Soviet Union 2, not democracy in the workplace.

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[-] doktorRobot@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

At this point neither of them have seen how it was in Soviet union.

[-] Volodymyr@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

They know from their parents and grandparents. Source: I am rather in the parent category.

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