The worst is when NPCs call people NPCs.
If you can't afford to tip after getting a big steak, you should probably get a smaller steak.
If you can’t afford to tip after getting a new car, you should probably get an older car.
fun fact: most people DO tip for new cars. Only the tip is factored in into the initial price, which already includes 50-100% markup, which gives the dealer room to abate.
I used to tip most of the times when I got to Spain but I was told so many time it's simply not something people do here that I mostly stopped. There no way tip when you're paying with a card and I carry less and less cash so without any pressure to tip I simply lost the habit.
If you can't afford the tip, why are you paying $70 for a meal?
Because that's just how much it costs to go out to eat now. No one can afford it. Where have you been?
Again, if it's too expensive to afford, why are you doing it? It's not medical care. No one is forcing you to eat at a restaurant.
I didn't know eating was a luxury sorry
Humans aren't perfectly rational consumers, capable of always depriving themselves of joy in the name of fiscal responsibility.
I imagine the crux of your argument rests on the idea that eating out for $70 or $90 are two identical things, when in fact they are not. If you do it 10 times a year, it's a $200 difference.
The reason that difference exists is to satisfy the desire the owning class has to not pay workers enough to survive. If they did, the capitalists would have less money, you would have more money, and the waiter would have the same amount of money.
That's better. Not perfectly ideal, but better than now.
I don't expect people to be rational, I know they aren't. The point is that it's better to not eat out than to screw over a person who may not be able to afford to eat in the restaurant you're eating in. You are asking someone to work for you for starvation wages and then complaining that they're upset that you're not filling in the rest of the wages.
Yeah, the owning class is to blame, so stop giving the restaurant money.
So let's say you go buy a car, do you leave a coupple thousands more for good measure?
Car sales people are paid on commission. If servers were paid on commission then your argument would make sense. If car sales peole were paid less than minimum wage, your argument might make sense. Neither of these is the case, so it doesn't.
Tipping then should be a fix amount. Is not like if i pay 15$ for a pasta or 50$ for a stake there is a differenze in service.
Once it's a fix amount, they could.... Drumrolls.... Include it in the menu prices!
Anyway i know is not your fault and it's the american system that is cheating but you can vote with your wallet
Keep this garbage out of europe please. i see it popping up. I will absolutely refuse to tip a single goddamn soul at this point going forward.
In Austria often times they expect it because of "good behaviour". Its not a fix percentage but more pocket chance. Still they are getting a full salary at the end of the month
Actually pay restaurant workers a decent wage goddammit!
I can't agree more. Tip should be considered an "occasional" extra. This kind of bullshit try to shift the responsibility of the indecent low salaries to customers who already pay the full price of the service.
We call it charity elsewhere. It's a good thing but you shouldn't build an economic system in top of it
Why not pay hospitality workers a halfway decent wage, and leave tipping for exemplary service? That's how it works in the rest of the developed world.
Because the US is a failed state hiding under a developed world costume.
I generally always tip what I feel is generous if I'm able to, because thankfully I just have the luxury of spare change to blow from being a little more frugile these days, watching my spending and all that jazz. But honestly, if I was smart, and truly frugile, I'd be saving that money by not tipping, but also by making a meal at home instead whenever it's an option. But I'm willing participating in the machinations of the local service economy whenever I order delivery, or go to a restaurant, or do many things that would involve tipping. That said, retail tipping feels kind of weird except for some specialty shops where it's totally unnecessary but something to consider when you get excellent service.
But fuck all the profiteers behind all the schemes in the service industry that exploit workers by forcing them to rely on tipping, it's actually fucking bullshit. Wait staff and delivery drivers can get paid as low as $4/hour once they've received some balance in tips, when they should probably be getting around $20/hour and up in most cases. It's actually third world level.
But nah fam what kind $70 meal we talking? If you paying $70 for a steak, a couple drinks and whatever else at an especially nice place, you bet your fucking ass you'll tip $17.50 if the food and service is worth it, because you're spending 1-2 hours at that nice restaurant and your service occupies an amount of man-hours that might otherwise not be well compensated. Actually, maybe 25%/$17.50 is a bit much, it really just depends on the meal and the place. I feel like I would do 15% if service was ok, 20% if good, 25% if great but again it's all about setting.
Went to my normally favorite bar today and they updated their tipping button recommendations to "20%", "69%", and "100%". The 69% was the default option which while I know they're memeing, seemed really uncool as I nearly clicked approve without noticing.
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