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I've seen around 3 occasions of that this week, altho I have never seen anything like it before.

if I remember correctly they were:

  • smack talking a mod (FlyingSquid) for saying not to report the same comment twice, when they were different comments, and the report was spam
  • someone comparing .world with .ml in politics (as in there was a comment saying "this post will be overrun with .ml people, and then a comment going "but you are from .world") (Maybe Im part of the problem? I have been called out for being a fascist because I questioned the "puching nazis" theme)
  • one more which I can't remember.

Anyways, what is all that about? Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?

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[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 131 points 1 week ago

.world is the biggest instance and therefore a prime choice for trolls to create accounts. Most of the trash posts I’ve seen lately are from brand new users on lemmy.world

I am equally suspicious of brand new lemmy.world users as I am of veterans of lemmy.ml. Older accounts on .world are usually pretty normal.

[-] atocci@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

I like to think of myself as normal lol

I'm here because kbin.social died and this was my next oldest account

[-] burgersc12@mander.xyz 0 points 6 days ago

lemmy.world is popular, which has its pros and cons. At least you didn't pick hexbear lol

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[-] ShadowRam@fedia.io 13 points 1 week ago

I moved to fedia.io because it is basically kbin.social, but working.

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[-] oce@jlai.lu 79 points 1 week ago

It's a battle of political ideologies.

ml is administered by the creators of Lemmy, they are openly socialist/communist/tankie depending on your own ideology, ml was chosen to represent Marxism-Leninism, and so the people it attracted are generally also adhering to this kind of ideologies.
.world was created for Redditors exile, as such, it is mostly center-left to social democrat.

Political extremists tend to extremise everything, typically a tankie will call you a Nazi/fascist if you disagree with them. That's one of your answer.

Secondly, some ml people are frustrated that Lemmy is not their own little thing anymore for them and their friends, as world is the biggest instance now by far. So they show some kind of instance-xenophobia, not much different from the Great Replacement theory: "we are being culturally replaced through mass migration".

Not all .ml people are like that of course. In my experience, it is enough to block a few tankies to get back to civilized discussions.

[-] Archer@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago

I hope people point out that they and the fascists both agree on Great Replacement theory lol

[-] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have had way more issues with .ml communities than .world

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 week ago

ML was basically designed to be an echo chamber, it’s right there in the name.

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[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I made the mistake of being an anarchist on ml and hexbear.

Waay, waaaaaay too many tankies getting insanely pissed off and swarm when you criticize (point out obvious facts, really) any non US/Western countries or allies along anarchist lines.

It rapidly devolves into idpol, rants and tirades that are barely related to the topic or comment, Fox News style 'I'm just asking questions in good faith' which are obviously not in good faith if you're older than maybe 10.

I dare someone to go ml or grad or hex and attempt to have a serious and thorough conversation about the Sino-Vietnamese war. Or Uighurs. Or the Holodomor. Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.

I remember at one point explaining a meme that popped up on some China's social media site that boiled down to 'Deng Xiaoping's reforms have led to Chinese women craving giant Black cocks', and all of them being just fine with incels and racism when its not Westerners doing it.

Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have 'communists' arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.

EDIT: Its somewhat sad, as it is great fun when everyone is dogpiling on some new latest insane western neocolonialism or corporate incompetence/hellscape type stuff, but I treat those places like Ravenholm:

We don't go there anymore.

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 73 points 1 week ago

A lot of this boils down to consequences of lemmy.world being the largest instance: typical Reddit users beeline for it, trolls go there, larger comms so more frequent issues with moderation, people who fail to distinguish between "we shouldn't concentrate our activity into the largest instance" and "largest instance bad! EDIT WOW THANKS FOR LE GOLD TO LE KNEE KIND STRANGER!", so goes on.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Back when reddit* was just starting to fall to shit, I had already been dipping my toes in the mastodon water, and while I really liked the instance I was on it did not have enough people on it to properly surface good collections of off node traffic.

Knowing that Mastodon had the problem, I didn't dick around with smaller nodes. To be honest it's still a fight if you're on a node with only a handful of people, you have to do something to mitigate the lack of community traffic in the face of lacking discoverability.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 14 points 1 week ago

People are doing that here though - e.g. the user Blaze made accounts on basically every instance, and subscribed to every community. This gets around the limitation where at least one user of an instance must subscribe to a community before it will even so much as show up for others to also subscribe. Really the developers should have made better automation so that this was not necessary, but... anyway it works, for now:-).

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[-] FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

lemmyworld in many ways is still just reddit. don't get me wrong, I've talked to plenty of cool people on there before. but it is the biggest instance that ballooned after the API controversy and a lot of them seem to have just brought Reddit to the fediverse with them. I have no issues with any mods there, I've not really seen them at all. they did defed a community from my instance though so that's pretty lame of them.

[-] Soup@lemmy.cafe -2 points 6 days ago

Not even close.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 34 points 1 week ago

I beg to differ: even Reddit these days is little like Reddit, as it was just prior to the protests. Reddit f-ing died, and Lemmy.World is nothing like that shithole, especially what's left nowadays with bots copying bots speaking to bots, allowing humans to simply scroll forever.

To any extent that it is like the Reddit of old though, yeah it's just bc it's so big. It was guaranteed that some instance would become that, bc people are people - at least here, not like AI-Reddit. 🤡

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

t’s just bc it’s so big

It's not the World is big...

It's just everyone else is so small.

Like in the grand scheme of the fediverse we're all tiny. But of the "reddit clone" instances it might be bigger than everyone else put together even.

I went over to your instance and checked, and yeah, it's a reddit clone interface too

The structure makes all of us "like reddit" because reddit has always had a shit ton of different small subs with vastly different vibes. A decade ago there was some sub on Reddit that had the exact same vibe your instance has today. That's just how big reddit was.

Federation just means no one group of admins can seize control, even if World went to shit tomorrow, everyone would just bounce. I have zero "loyalty" to my instance, if it starts to suck I'm out.

That's the point of this whole thing.

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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 week ago

I have nothing against the wolders but the admins of that instance raise more than a few eyebrows. Particularly when they rolled back specific anti hate speech policies in favor of vague common sense ones to stay ahead of the anti-woke crowd.

Kind of feels like they have been trying to take over Lemmy. Which... Could be a lot worse but still rubs me the wrong way.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

So far my only beef with the .world admins was their VPN policy. I don’t have any better suggestions, but I still feel it was the wrong choice.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Some of the dumbest and most aggressive comments I've seen on Lemmy came from lemmy.world. Most comments on it seem OK, but it does have a reddit-like flavour with a good number of unpleasant users.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

hits you in the head with a steel chair like in pro-wrestling

C'mon. Lemmy.World users aren't aggressive!!! That's a misconception!

throws salt in your eyes

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 0 points 6 days ago

In fairness, you in particular have lost your mind! (And I for one am glad to not be the only one!:-)

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[-] RonnieB@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

What's wrong with punching nazis?

[-] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Was expecting this comment, I used to be a pacifist, after asking why people would* punch nazis in asklemmy, I read a few books they reccomended and I changed my mind.

tldr: nothing.

edit: * if it is morally correct

[-] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago

That's a pretty big fucking asterisk. That makes all the difference in the world.

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[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago

I usually beef with sh.it.just.works users because by far I've met the most wrong takes there, especially in WPT, and it's quite funny considering the instance name conveys a sort of desperation in not being able to get Lemmy to work, which just makes it seem like it's an instance for the less intellectualy gifted of us, but it's all in good fun really. Some communities there are also quite nice.

I'm pretty aligned with hexbears/MLs but their Russia simping is too much, whether it's critical support or trying to get a reaction out of folks to post the pig it just feels like a nazi bar type situation.

Ironically db0 and slrpnk feel far more legit to me as an anarchist though neither are explicitly anarchist or based around being leftist in any other way.

Blahaj.zone banned me for transphobia on my first post I think. Or one of the communities did. No idea what I said there but I totally get them not messing around with bans.

World is just the largest instance, so naturally has the most trolls, spam, dodgy mods with weird rules and so on and so forth.

That's the beauty of the fediverse though, if they ever became a real problem for me I'd just block em all. I kind of love this instance culture. Makes the place feel more human than the cold masto bullshit.

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[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?

You betcha buddy. Joking. For myself, at least.

Idk what's going on with Flying Squid, but a lot of the trolls accounts I see are from .world so people are probably starting to associate that instance with those kinds of people.

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 16 points 1 week ago

I don't think FlyingSquid is a troll; I just think they tend to be argumentative and opinionated (I can be those things as well, so I'm not really judging when I say so).

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

He is also very heavy handed. The entire admin team is (not necessarily a bad thing). I was banned from a community for reporting a comment that insulted me directly because they didn't like a joke I made. The joke was a harmless word pun, the comment I reported called me an idiot. But I was the one banned. Resource? None, calling the mod chat to argue a community ban is discouraged and also an offense. My account could be banned just for pointing it out in this comment. But that's just the way things are here. I had to block FS because he tended to argue in bad faith with me whenever I happened to comment in the same post as him.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago
[-] Davel23@fedia.io 13 points 1 week ago

Come on over to fedia.io. It's like kbin.social but works.

[-] aramis87@fedia.io 14 points 1 week ago

I'm on fedia.io, but I still miss kbin.social. :/

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[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 1 week ago

mbin: 👁️👄👁️

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

lol imagine comparing .ml to Reddit.world

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