I listened to him for a little bit and sounded sensible, but I see a lot of people hate him and sounds like he found some fans and double down and a shit show to cater to them. I don’t know enough to have an opinion lol
The problem with him and people like him is that they start off with truth, and then slowly devolve into a conclusion they drew from that kernel of truth and before you know it they're operating completely on their conclusions and personal ideas instead of the actual data they began with. Teaching as if their conclusions are just as valid.
It's a similar strategy to how most religious leaders operate, when giving a sermon. They read the text and then change its meaning to whatever fits their narrative and interpretation best, then they spend the next hour preaching their ideas with the root authority of the audience largely unmentioned after that.
What you're asking is like proof that I've made this comment, you don't need me to show you that I wrote it because the evidence is automatic based on your ability to comprehend what I'm saying.
Jordan Peterson makes conclusions based on evidence and then uses them to argue his points. The proof is you just need to observe the facts he uses (and I'm being generous here, assuming the data isn't taken out of context or something) and then listen to his arguments to discern when he's using what the data suggests to explain his point versus when he's using the conclusion he drew from the data to explain his point.
I think you'll find it's more often the latter than you initially realized, the man is good at talking in circles both because it makes it difficult to call him out on his bullshit as well as providing an air of expertise and intelligence.
What you're asking is like proof that I've made this comment
No. What I'm asking for is links or references to the material which you used to form your opinion. Not necessarily all of it but at least something which supports what you're saying. That's what's meant by the word "sources" in this context.
proof is you just need to observe the facts he uses
I'm asking you where I can observe his uses.
listen to his arguments
I'm asking you where I can listen to such arguments.
I listened to him for a little bit and sounded sensible, but I see a lot of people hate him and sounds like he found some fans and double down and a shit show to cater to them. I don’t know enough to have an opinion lol
The problem with him and people like him is that they start off with truth, and then slowly devolve into a conclusion they drew from that kernel of truth and before you know it they're operating completely on their conclusions and personal ideas instead of the actual data they began with. Teaching as if their conclusions are just as valid.
It's a similar strategy to how most religious leaders operate, when giving a sermon. They read the text and then change its meaning to whatever fits their narrative and interpretation best, then they spend the next hour preaching their ideas with the root authority of the audience largely unmentioned after that.
Do you have a source for Peterson having done this?
This video shortly and succinctly shows this a few times: https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo?si=rCJA_3-QaANHSQX9
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The video is three hours long!
Yeah, that's the joke he makes in the video.
Critical thinking and listening to him speak.
So that's a no.
What you're asking is like proof that I've made this comment, you don't need me to show you that I wrote it because the evidence is automatic based on your ability to comprehend what I'm saying.
Jordan Peterson makes conclusions based on evidence and then uses them to argue his points. The proof is you just need to observe the facts he uses (and I'm being generous here, assuming the data isn't taken out of context or something) and then listen to his arguments to discern when he's using what the data suggests to explain his point versus when he's using the conclusion he drew from the data to explain his point.
I think you'll find it's more often the latter than you initially realized, the man is good at talking in circles both because it makes it difficult to call him out on his bullshit as well as providing an air of expertise and intelligence.
No. What I'm asking for is links or references to the material which you used to form your opinion. Not necessarily all of it but at least something which supports what you're saying. That's what's meant by the word "sources" in this context.
I'm asking you where I can observe his uses.
I'm asking you where I can listen to such arguments.