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[-] Maeve@kbin.social 17 points 9 months ago

Can you please provide urls to posts saying hamas are good guys?

[-] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Anyone saying they’re the bad guys is armchair quarterback-ing a people’s fight against annihilation.

If YOUR people lived in a militarily patrolled, constantly surveilled, walled off piece of your former homeland, from which you couldn’t leave to go visit a hospital without your oppressor’s army’s approval, and that same army tried to calculate food rations to keep you only just above starvation to keep you passive, and could arrest without cause and indefinitely hold you….would you really say that a group of your people were wrong for lashing out? Now on top of that, the civilian populace can be given permission by that same government to take arms and evict you and your family from your ancestral home. Are you wrong for lashing out?

What a fucking joke.

[-] jimbo@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They're bad guys because they murdered a bunch of families and young people minding their own business. They're bad guys for weaponizing rape. They're bad guys for knowingly bringing the wrath of the Israeli military down on Gaza. They're bad guys for using money given to them by Israel and other nations to do those things instead of helping Gazans.

Note that I'm calling them "bad guys", not "the bad guys", because they don't hold the monopoly on being bad. The IDF are also bad guys for their willingness to bomb buildings full of civilians for the chance of maybe killing a Hamas member or collapsing a tunnel.

[-] BluesF@feddit.uk 5 points 9 months ago

Why do we have to reduce it to "good" or "bad"? They have reprehensible methods, but the fact that they exist is an inevitable consequence of the conditions that the Palestinians have been living in for decades.

The idea that Hamas and the IDF are two "sides" is itself absurd. Hamas have absolutely no chance of victory against the IDF. There is no world in which they can even compete! They are a desperate attempt to take action by a people who have been pushed to the brink.

They aren't a side, they are a symptom. They've done terrible things! But those things are a consequence of the circumstances that caused Hamas to exist.

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