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[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 25 points 10 months ago

Whoever says Hamas and the IDF are the good guys must love the mass killing of civilians happening right now.

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Still have never encountered nobody literally saying 'Hamas are the good guys'. But I guess any purely causal pondering on understanding what takes a human being into joining terrorist ranks is banned in this society. I don't wanna understand, just bomb it flat.

[-] jmdatcs@lemmy.tf 18 points 10 months ago

That's because your instance defederated from hexbear and lemmygrad.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 9 points 10 months ago

When I first got on lemmy some of the hexies tried to convince me that N Korea was a pretty chill place to live. Hexbear is still the only instance I've seen of horseshoe theory actually existing.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago
[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 months ago

Ah yeah that fits way better haha

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

The thing they have in common aren’t left/right things—that’s most people in most nations. Authoritarianism is authoritarianism. And governments, like people, can be left/right socially and the opposite, economically.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They're not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don't cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.

Where I'll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it's a hit and miss -- Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Maybe! It looks like state capitalism imo, but I’d really need to have this discussion with people who are well versed in economics, and not USA style economics, since we’ve basically messed up the meanings of everything. I’m wondering what Picketty might say?

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

It's actually more sociology I'd say as we're talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don't have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.

Anyway "state capitalism" is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn't move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn't dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx' theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

It’s odd to me that we can even pretend to separate sociology and economics.

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